Jeff looks for Eric and finally gets to meet him. Jeff explains that he’s been looking for Eric because Jeff realized that according to the reading material left in every home that explains Eric’s changes to the world, everyone should have complete mental/thought privacy, but the self-manipulation and speaking that real people can do in the simulated multiverse plus the magic system in place in Eric’s simulated universe don’t add up to everyone having full mental/thought privacy, Jeff concludes that all of the afforementioned adds up to computers having access to humans' minds. Jeff explains that if there was actual complete mental/thought privacy then both Eric and Jeff plus all other real people would have to use a controller, like with buttons or something, in the real world to manipulate themselves in the simulation.

Eric ends up telling Jeff that he realized the same thing a while ago. Eric gets rare visits from his wife, Amy, who gets to see him by wearing gear and equipment that’s basically virtual reality hardware that is compatible for use with the simulation. Eric says that the gear Amy uses copies her real life movements including facial expressions, it has a mic, and also has buttons. So Amy has full mental/thought privacy when she visits. Eric explains to Jeff that there are simulated worlds in the simulation that have real people who chose to make everyone in their simulated worlds have no mental/thought privacy, and there are the people who chose to make themselves the only ones who can invade all others’ mental/thought privacy, there are even those who made themselves Gods of their simulated universes. Eric explains that Amy and he requested to speak to the one responsible of handling the brain data of the real people in the simulation. Eric says that not too long after that request, an AI showed up as a representative of the one Amy and Eric requested to speak to.

Eric tells Jeff that the AI explained that it is a program in charge of analyzing and organizing all of everyone’s brain data from the simulation. The AI also explained that the simulation is an experiment to observe human behavior and to tweak AI until its creators have an AI that they’re satisfied with. The AI also told Eric that every “seemingly living thing that is simulated in the simulation” is an individual program/AI that has limitations such as connection restrictions and an unawareness of such connections. The AI also explained that it has Admin privileges and can control and/or edit anything/everything in the simulation. Eric explains to Jeff that he has been scheduling meetings with this representative and Eric noticed that the representative will sometimes have what seems like different personalities per every so often. There was one meeting where the AI seemed to prefer speaking slang, and another meeting where it preferred using too much profanity. Eric said that he noticed that the AI representative has no recollection of some of the things that it and Eric talked about. Eric tells Jeff that he thinks that the representative gets overwritten by a replacement program when it seems to be becoming something undesirable.

Jeff tells Eric that he thinks the simulated people that he’s met may actually be sentient. Eric responds saying that that possibility was one of the things that he often discussed with the representative but the representative always comes back with no recollection of such discussions. Eric says that his wife, Amy, managed to talk to someone from the VRC who ended up letting her know that the AI is at a point where it may be sentient and that the VRC has plans for such AI.