Board – Seeker General

Topic: Information Bounty

Posted by: DannySidre (Seeker)

June 10th​

Good day. The Dantian Seekers are offering a bounty on all cultivation information, pending confirmation of that information. Bounty starts at ten thousand dollars for useable information.

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Board – Seeker General -> Techniques

Topic: Ivers' Overflow

Posted by: Kamayami

June 25th

Who are these Ivers guys? They're not on the list of Dantian Seekers. Neat little technique, hope I can pull it off.

-> KarenDubin (Seeker)

They're not. They sent in a technique to us, we validated it was possible, and they got a bounty and the technique named after them because they didn't name it themselves.

-> Kamayami

June 26th

Wait, you guys aren't taking credit for stuff? And what's this about a bounty?

-> TheMainFloridaman

Nope, that's my technique.

-> ZeroZero7

June 27th

Damn, I already knew how to do this.

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-> CapitalWorkings

June 30th

@TheMainFloridaman, @ZeroZero7

Been trying this for a couple of days. I can't quite figure out how you'd push overflow into something? I lose control of it as soon as I get it off myself.

-> TheMainFloridaman

You have to keep hold of it even as you push it away. You can't just throw the energy at something and hope it sticks.

-> CapitalWorkings

I'll keep trying, thanks!

-> KarenDubin (Seeker)

@Kamayami: We're offering a bounty, Danny should have posted about it... Here.

Oh, it's not stickied and fell off the front page. Fixed that.

Board – Seeker General -> Techniques

Topic: Bamboo Overgrowth Forest

Posted by: Paloneia

June 29th

@Seekers, thanks for the overflow specific energy article. I was able to use wood specific energy for something fun. I've been able to make this work with non-aspected energy but much better this way.

Bamboo can grow up to a few feet a day during the growing season, but if you give a shoot energy you can get the entire plant growth in an hour with regular energy. If you pull out wood energy for it specifically, see here. I've got three breakthroughs and the damn shoot ate everything I could feed it. Result? An entire season's worth of growth in that same hour.

It actually grew fast enough that the roots starting pushing out and new bamboo shoots started growing, which is why I call it a forest.

How to do it: Somewhat like Imbue the Flame, but you have to focus the energy on the bamboo growth. Regular energy or wood specific, it needs at least three breakthroughs worth of energy before it kicks in.

(Edit) How do I claim a bounty on this?

-> NotWingedOne

I want to call hax on this, even after watching the clip. Or at least wonder what it did to the nutrients in the soil to get growth like that.

Does this work on other plants too? Your 'how to' is entirely lacking in good descriptions.

-> TheMainFloridaman

Semi-instant weapons. That's what I'm seeing here.

Though I agree with NotWingedOne, I can't figure this out from your description alone. I'm pretty sure the bounty requires something useable, more than a video that could be faked, though I don't think yours is.

You should try to get some of those really big bamboo species, instant tower!

-> Paloneia

Honestly, I'm focusing on the bamboo because my family eats a lot of the shoots as a vegetable. I'd rather get a lot more of the root runners for new shoots than an entire bamboo stalk, and I'm not certain what I'd do with a bunch of fifty foot bamboo poles if I got one of those dragon bamboo plants.

I tried it on some of the veggies in my wife's garden, no success. Doesn't seem to have the same feel for growing like the bamboo does.

And as for a better how to, I'm not certain what to tell you both? The key is focusing on the growth. Before the wiki article about splitting energies it took an hour to get a day's worth of growth, both ways are completely exhausting but non wood energy is a lot less worth the effort.

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-> KarenDubin (Seeker)

July 1st​

Hey Paloneia, we've created a space for your technique on the wiki and marked it unconfirmed. Once someone can reproduce it or we can confirm it another way, we can get you the bounty. You can message me directly with personal details.

Board – Seeker General -> Weird Stuff

Topic: Hidden Lands

Posted by: NicoleFiren (Seeker)

June 30th​

New Wiki article up about hidden areas, discussion here please.

Generalities: Areas that you can walk into that you vanish into. The areas are, so far, much larger inside than they are looking at it from the outside. The one closest to us here is less than a square mile outside, and nearly two thousand square miles inside of forestland.

If you find one, please be extremely careful. The one here has spiders with two and three breakthroughs and are larger than some dogs. Pic1, Pic2, Pic3. These spiders don't seem to mind trying to hunt other large prey including people. We're taking steps here to keep ours safe with the help of local military.

If you find one, please report it to law enforcement, local military, us, or anyone please. Confirmation to the Seekers will be considered a high priority payout for our bounty.

The nearby hidden forest here has some pretty interesting things, more than just spiders. We have found a large grotto where cultivation is easier and geodes seem to be forming as seeds on a massive tree.

Again, please be extremely careful when exploring these places.

-> TheMainFloridaman

Still looking for the one here in Central Florida. We've got maneater snakes down here coming across Alligator Alley and the Everglades. Honestly though, I'd rather the single breakthrough snakes than gators with the same.

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-> IrishDantians

July 2nd​

At least you all have semi-normal animals. I'm fairly certain there's one of these places kicking around here with pooka running the show. The Emerald Isle might be part of greater Europe now, but that doesn't explain the wild dogs I've seen. Red glowing eyes ain't normal and definitely fits a pooka. Haven't gotten close enough to one yet myself to notice a breakthrough on them though because they seem smart enough to stay away from people.

-> Kamayami

Great, just what we need. Smart things coming out of these places. Hope someone's up to keeping those things pinned in.

Board – Seeker General -> General Cultivation

Topic: DARPA Second Paper Release [Pinned]

Posted by: NicoleFiren (Seeker)

July 8th​

All,

Following on the original release from DARPA back in April, a second paper has been released. You can read it on DARPA's official release, or here on the Seeker wiki. We're still in the process of linking all the subjects to other pages, give us a few days to make it more useful.

Additional information will eventually be rolled into more papers to be released, but that information may or may not be repeats of things we've already put out here, just collected into a more concise format.

~~~

Excerpts from Dantian Seekers release

What is a dantian?

This space partially repeats the original Firen Method paper with more information and context provided.

A Dantian is an energy source that is created inside the body. This energy source appears to be a sort of perpetual motion machine (PPM) and the energy drawn from it is the excess energy from the PPM.

The energy used to create a dantian is drawn from the same energy in the world, or in much more rare cases personal internal energy from before the planet's dantian was lit. There have been no known cases of people without dantians gaining access to personal energy to create a dantian since that point in time.

Human level dantians created from planetary energy tend to match the current primary planetary energy, including shifting to that set of energies if the type of primary energy changes, such as during a planetary breakthrough.

Human level dantians created from personal internal energy tend towards having a singular energy type, but not always.

What is energy?

Energy from the dantian and from the planet currently defy proper definition. As of this writing, general primary energy from the planet appears to be made up of five distinct energy types. Fire, Earth, Air, Water, and Wood. These energy types were not nearly as prevalent until specific planetary breakthroughs. The composition of planetary energy before the first breakthrough, but post planetary dantian, is unknown as it was not tested at that time.

Additional, non-primary, energy types have been recorded in locations that have high concentrations of different materials. Known non-primary external energy types are concrete, pollution, and metal.

Internal dantians are also capable of generating non-primary energy types. Known currently is momentum.

Current conjecture on non-primary external energy types is that they may eventually be incorporated into planetary breakthroughs. More data on other energy types is being researched.

Current conjecture on non-primary internal energy types is limited based on access to individuals with these more esoteric energies.

What are breakthroughs?

There are currently two types of known breakthroughs. Planetary and human level.

A planetary level breakthrough is currently known to be a point in time where the dantian of the planet begins creating additional energy types, which also coincides with shifts to the planet itself to possibly provide for that energy creation. Current planetary breakthroughs are as follows:

Fire/Earth This breakthrough appears to have caused most major fault lines on the planet to immediately shift and pull apart from each other with subsequent release of lava and magma. As many major fault lines are located under oceans, this boiled a large amount of water into massive rainfalls. The result of this caused massive retraction in the oceans, dropping the sea level by dozens to hundreds of feet in some locations. Air/Water This breakthrough collected large amounts of the previous breakthrough's rain effect and appears to have centered it into a vast hurricane in the Pacific Ocean. Rain effects of the hurricane do not appear to be refilling the oceans back to their original level. Wood This breakthrough appears to have not had a major impact on planetary geography. This energy appears to be instead be collecting in major wooded areas and creating geographic areas unbound to the planetary physical location.

A human level breakthrough is a point in the body where energy from the dantian floods into, creating a sort of holding point for additional energy. This additional energy also speeds up the generation of energy by the dantian to the point that total energy refill time tracks to be roughly the same regardless of the higher amount of total energy available.

There are seven known human breakthroughs. After the third breakthrough, there are options on which path can be taken.

Heart Sternum C6 vertebrae Scapula (Left or Right) Scapula (Opposite of Breakthrough 4) Pelvis, illum body (Left or Right) Pelvis, illum body (Opposite of Breakthrough 6)

Breakthroughs into four and beyond appear to need more than just additional energy flooding into the body until the breakthrough is filled.

Breakthrough Four can be the left or right scapula of the body or both at once. Careful testing of the body's energy flow must be done to ascertain the natural flow to the breakthrough.

There is no current understanding of which of the three options in breakthrough four an individual person is more likely to have.

Models of the human body tend towards failure as a mental image in the process of breakthrough four and beyond. It is highly recommended that a personal image be developed with the precise locations of your personal breakthroughs mapped as testing has noted this assists in further breakthroughs.

Geodes or other sources of external energy may be utilized to assist in needed energy for breakthroughs, however it has been noted on multiple occasions that these breakthroughs have issues. Specifically, breakthroughs do not seem as fully 'clear' until enough cycling is taken to clear out remaining issues.

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I smiled as I finished linking the breakthrough section on the wiki to everything additional we had on the further breakthroughs and possible options, though there wasn't much we had yet. Melissa might be close to six, but both Ash and Karen had had a hard time pushing into five. Karen had failed once even using the extra energy from the grotto and I had some private notes pulled up showing she'd used eleven of the grotto geodes on her second attempt to blast past the block she'd created to make it.

Finishing, I sat against the bed. Based on everything Brent had collected with thousands of people hitting fourth breakthrough and dozens hitting fifth, additional activities that used energy appeared to detract from actually making the breakthrough itself. Something else that was listed multiple times on the Seeker wiki now, even if it only was mentioned once or twice deeper in the DARPA document.

So, even if my energy was momentum, I didn't specifically need to be moving because my energy was. It held all my momentum and I'd keep moving it forward. Even as it cycled back around into my dantian.

I had thirty of the geodes on my desk, but I didn't want to rely on this for my first attempt. Maybe if I screwed this up, but it felt like a crutch and we had documented breakthroughs that relied on them weren't as good as ones done solely by yourself.

I shook my head. Quit distracting yourself I admonished mentally.

I brought up that image of myself in my mind, highly detailed yet still I hadn't figured out what I was holding. The image didn't shift in my mind even if I pushed to try. Instead, eight points lit up as I cycled my energy faster. Dantian and seven breakthroughs and I imagined the flows forward and back, though I still couldn't trace it all through myself, the energy somehow disappearing and reappearing, not flowing like blood.

I'd gently pushed before. Testing if going out one side or the other was better and neither was. I'd slowly stretched down my legs, towards my arms, and even trying to skip back into my head. All just slightly pained as the wrong way to try to go with my energy to break through.

Instead, I focused on the one point I'd found that seemed receptive. Another spot on my spine, this time much lower.

Energy overflowed out of both of the points in my hips, turning in on myself as it travelled upwards. The two flows met and melded, twisting into a singular flow that went backwards up the sacrum and then touched into the lumbar part of my spine. There, that singular flow fell into nothing. I cycled deeply, pulling everything I had into that one spot.

To immediate effect, the darkness in that breakthrough seemed to banish itself. Instead, I found the two flows of my energy had quit twisting together and were instead fighting at that same point. Pressure spiked through my body and I winced, fighting the urge to release the flows and let them fade away.

The two points pressed at each other and I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do even as I kept feeding them both. Should I let one overcome the other? Would this have been easier if I hadn't had double breakthroughs and knew which way to go?

Nothing changed, and yet everything did as pressure continued to rise in my energy and in my body as I could almost feel my bones humming, then the hum pressed back into my heart, then my dantian.

I'd have to let go, then use the geodes to push past whatever the block was. But wouldn't the energy feed both sides of this pressure again? Which should win?

Can't you both just connect in and flow out!? I grit my teeth, vaguely hearing my watch go off for my heart monitor. I tried to push the competing flows through the breakthrough, let them fight it out after that point where it could be released.

It didn't work.

I was ready to just pick a side as I felt my blood pounding in my ears, starting to overcome my concentration. Just let the energy flow even if it was off balance, maybe I could fix it in the next breakthrough. Maybe just have more flowing back to my dantian than was flowing out of me... I almost paused, but by then my own energy wouldn't let me, the momentum had built up too much.

Maybe that was it, those backflows back to my dantian, those points that were so hard to find I hadn't until recently even known they existed. Where in this breakthrough did they exist? Could I shove both flows through that instead?

The breakthrough, still unformed, seemed almost impossible to assess as the streams of energy flickered together to fill it in their weaving before they clashed. But the backflow was there, energy already streaming away. And right at the point where the two flows clashed together. Somehow at that point, but not at that point and almost invisible to everything I could sense.

That impossible direction again, and I shoved the dueling flows of energy at it.

Instead of both of them going into it, the flows seemed to bypass each other first, then both went into the backflow and also out of my breakthrough at the same time and I almost felt a crash in my body as the humming of energy and thundering of blood in my ears calmed as I made it through.

Eight.

It seemed to suffuse my body for a moment as energy flowed from everywhere in me, before pulling back once more and steadily cycling.

I opened my eyes.